Weazie Oekaki Intermediate

Weazie Oekaki Intermediate
	Welcome to Weazie Oekaki's critique & improvement board! Before drawing, please read the rules at this link ^{Updates: AH SURVEY'S CLOSED finally after like. months?? like 4 months. incredible. ((I'll be posting a summary of responses etc soon)) - Toasteh, 08 May 2014}
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soulwithin465 @ Monday, December 7th 2009, 10:25 AM

Aww look at the cute little...dino bird thing...Yeah I have no clue what the heck this is supposed to be. All I know is its head is way too big and I shouldn't be aloud to use the pencil tool.

So how's life??

Anne Dyari @ Monday, December 7th 2009, 1:33 PM

It's so cute though xP and lines are really nice!

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Tuesday, December 8th 2009, 1:05 PM

Whatever it is, it's adorable xD I love its wings <3

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Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Saturday, December 5th 2009, 12:24 PM

urg, an avatar
nothing special... I've sorta had artblock for a while now...

Anne Dyari @ Saturday, December 5th 2009, 9:43 PM

Aw, so cute xP

Arf @ Tuesday, December 8th 2009, 2:40 PM

yeah same here, kyuubi.. i've even been having a commenting block.. er, if that's possible! D:

soulwithin465 @ Wednesday, December 9th 2009, 7:30 AM

Aw gosh your icons are so cute <3

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chainedfox @ Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 5:07 PM

Wip
i wanted to try something semi-realistic,clearly THAT didn't work
i will edit and color this later
ttyl

soulwithin465 @ Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 6:03 PM

I love how you draw muzzles~ They are so pretty!

Finish finish =D

chainedfox @ Friday, December 4th 2009, 3:14 PM

thanx

will do

soulwithin465 @ Wednesday, December 9th 2009, 7:31 AM

Fehfehfeh I love blueeee <333

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Anne Dyari @ Wednesday, December 2nd 2009, 11:17 PM

T.T stupid over 50000 limit thingy..

Anyways, going to enter my hissi into the beauty contest on neo. xP not many entries usually, so -crosses fingers-

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soulwithin465 @ Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 5:15 AM

Omg this is lovely~
Love the pose its so in character!
Good luck >w<

1Riotmaker7 @ Saturday, December 19th 2009, 2:36 PM

I waaaaaaant I want I want-tackles anne-

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soulwithin465 @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 8:37 AM

Did you make your icon?

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 1:46 PM

OH GOSH YOU ARE SO AFKGSJGDHHSHHTGOGGBH AMAZING!! This is so beautiful... arrrrg why do you have to be so incredible??!!*sob* lol
yup I made my icon. idk im not good w/ pixels but i like animating things so.... ^w^ fffff my icons change frequently though (which reminds me I need to make an Xmas one lol)

Toasteh @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 4:48 PM

Yes! I really enjoy making pixelly stuff like this so most of my icons are made by me...
I always lose the patience for animations, though, (TINY CANVAS GGG) so I just...add as much detail as possible, whilst other iconers like myself make superspecialawesome animated pixelly icons...

soulwithin465 @ Wednesday, December 2nd 2009, 6:01 AM

@ Kyuubi: Haha aww thank youuuu <3333
Ahh and yes I LOVE animated icons! But sadly I am not creative enough and don't have the energy to actually make one...(pixels aren't really my thing anyways). But oh gosh I'd really like to see more animated icons from you! The one you have right now is just so cute!

@ Toasteh: Yeah you icon is really cool! So much detail how do you do it!!! I always find the canvases too small which makes it so hard! I even find the canvas for this too small but it doesn't fit on my screen too well if I make it bigger.

(Edited on December 2, 2009, 6:08 am)

chainedfox @ Friday, December 4th 2009, 3:14 PM

awww,its calmon
so cute!!

even tho i don't have an icon here, i do on the DA,but i asked permission to use that from someone else

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soulwithin465 @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 8:16 AM

doodle doodle~

Random fact: I love the color gray <3

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 1:48 PM

To you, it's a doodle, to me, it's a FREAKING WORK OF ART auifh9fjyri8tjidshjygnhh ;_;

Anne Dyari @ Tuesday, December 1st 2009, 7:21 PM

Gorgeous shading on this, wow! that hand is very nice too

soulwithin465 @ Wednesday, December 2nd 2009, 6:04 AM

@ Kyuubi and Anne Dyari: Thank you! ;u;

(Edited on December 2, 2009, 6:08 am)

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Anne Dyari @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 10:36 PM

very hypocritical of me, but yeah! Let's try to make this board thrive! ^^

soulwithin465 @ Monday, November 30th 2009, 4:11 AM

Ah I love that scarfffffff <3

And yes I shall try to draw more~
As soon as hw and college apps are done >3<

Toasteh @ Monday, November 30th 2009, 5:03 PM

Well it looks like we're getting there...!!
This is probably the most active it's been here in a long time so...!!

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Monday, November 30th 2009, 8:56 PM

Toast is right, this place has been super active as of late C:
I think we just need to work on "regular members" ... idk if you know what I mean...

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Majestic Cardboard Box @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 11:12 PM

YAAAAAAAAAAY NUMBAH 2

ALSO

IF A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER GIVES YOU A COMPUTER DON'T GO THROUGH THE FAVORITES JUST DON'T!!!!!11!!!

Anne Dyari @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 11:27 PM

I say in, gorgeous cell-shading ^^

One thing I would've liked more is a more defined moon.

btw, his tail is epic ^^

Majestic Cardboard Box @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 2:30 PM

Yeah I kinda rushed through the moon lolz.

tigerchic643 @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 2:40 PM

i think this is great! my only concern is to put alittle more effort into ur background. but i say IN!

Toasteh @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 3:17 PM

The background is a little lacking, but still, in.

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 4:04 PM

I agree that the background could have used some work, however, your anatomy and cel-shading is pretty awesome <3 so I vote IN as well

soulwithin465 @ Monday, November 30th 2009, 3:58 AM

Okay let me first just say this?I LOVE THAT TAIL!
Alright now that that has been stated?.

~CRITS~
I really like your use of tonal values. You show a consistent use of lights and darks throughout both your pieces and that makes me very happy~ The shading in some areas does seem rather forced and flat to me though?But I?m not very good with cell-shading myself so I don?t feel that I would be able to give much advice on in. But moving on~ I feel the proportions and anatomy are rather decent. The head fits the body quite nicely and the torso and legs aren?t too short or too long. However, the hand seems rather off to me?I can?t really place what it is but something just doesn?t seem accurate. It might be because it?s cut off. But all in all the anatomy is good! Like others have already stated, I think you could have spent a bit more time on the background. The grass has some nice texture and tonal values but the size of the grass blades aren?t very consistent and the ground appears to just end. It doesn?t seem like the ground is going back but rather straight up which you know isn?t possible but to the eye looks that way. The jagged texture for the grass should get smaller and smaller as it goes back but you drew the grass that would be furthest away as larger which makes the perspective awkward. But I am glad to see you integrated the subject with the ground by having the grass raised around his feet and tail. I also enjoy the atmosphere of the sky. The clouds have some nice and deep grays in them along with some lighter tones. This really allows the clouds to POP! But I?m not too sure if the use of watercolors for the sky was the best choice. Also the stars seem rather rushed. But overall I can see that you put quite an amount of effort into both tryouts and I find both quite pleasing to look at~

So I vote IN~!

=]

Sorry if any of this didn't make sense >< My brain is kind of dead at the moment =3=

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arceusgirl @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 2:24 AM

EDIT
its finished =D
does anyone have critiques on it??
first tryout :http://oekaki.weazie.com/intermediate/pictures/241.png

(Edited on November 29, 2009, 12:21 pm)

soulwithin465 @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 4:31 AM

Sorry we can't critique tryouts until they are complete. But this is looking wonderful so far! Can't wait to see it done <3

Toasteh @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 12:42 PM

Yep, good luck!

Majestic Cardboard Box @ Saturday, November 28th 2009, 11:15 PM

OH HEY I KNOW YOU!!! You draw on heavens gate

Good luck

arceusgirl @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 11:25 AM

@soulwithin465 and toasteh
thank you ^^
@ majestic cardboard box
yeah i also drawon heavensgate^^
you are named shinobiden3000 on that oekaki arent you?

Majestic Cardboard Box @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 2:31 PM

Yesss

tigerchic643 @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 3:09 PM

redline- http://iaza.com/work/091130C/tryout_redline92615.png

sorry..i say out.

Toasteh @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 3:21 PM

Well I'm not sure if I should vote out or third, but yes, I don't know if you're quite up to par yet. Your anatomy could use some work (I don't fully agree with the redline, but I won't go into it myself), and your shading is pretty sloppy (just...so you know...tones aren't always the best choice). The background is inconsistent with the subject matter, so it'd be less distracting had you used solids for it.

Other than that...well I'll leave the crits to someone else...annnd I think I'm going to say out. A few weeks of practice will be good for you.

Edit: lol those weren't crits, Julia.

(Edited on November 29, 2009, 5:16 pm)

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 4:10 PM

Sorry, hon, gonna have to say out. ):
Your anatomy, particularly on your first tryout, wasn't the best (but I won't go into detail about it) The background's pretty sloppy, remember a good b/g can MAKE the picture so uh... yeah lol. And um the highlights/shadows don't seem to be placed right, when considering the angle of the moon (unless the lighting is coming from the lightning in the background; even so, it isn't right). The moon is behind the canine, so most of the figure should be in the shadow, er...shaded.
Sorry, but keep practicing to get better!
And um, sorry for sounding so negative lol

(Edited on November 30, 2009, 8:46 pm)

Anne Dyari @ Sunday, November 29th 2009, 10:11 PM

Going to have to say out aswell, try to line your shadow up to the character, rather than just putting a darker patch of color underneath, it makes the character look glued on.

You're anatomy greatly improved from your previous tryout, but still needs some work, try drawing out a basic bone structure.
I also say out, though I'd like to see you try here again ^^

soulwithin465 @ Monday, November 30th 2009, 4:09 AM

Wonderful improvement compared to you first! However, I think you should practice just a bit more. Study from photos and real life observation and maybe even practice drawing bone structures and studying how the body of an animal looks underneath all the skin and fur. I do love the body language you have portraying though! It really goes with the background and mood. But I think you still need to work on shading and anatomy so for now I'm going to have to vote out. But based on the improvement you've shown I would love love LOVE to see you tryout again in the near future!

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Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Wednesday, November 25th 2009, 11:13 PM

umm idk if im accepted or not...

Toasteh @ Wednesday, November 25th 2009, 11:25 PM

Yep! Welcome to WOI! cB

chainedfox @ Wednesday, November 25th 2009, 11:42 PM

i would say your accepted! welcome

this is really cute, i like the fur and colors

soulwithin465 @ Thursday, November 26th 2009, 12:41 AM

Yep yep you are~!

soulwithin465 @ Thursday, November 26th 2009, 12:43 AM

And oh gosh this is adorable!!!
I love the shading >3<

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Friday, November 27th 2009, 12:18 PM

ahaha thanks guys x3

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chainedfox @ Wednesday, November 25th 2009, 10:31 PM

he wants to get together and SING!!!

i want this as a t-shirt for some reason, i really like it, and thats highley unusual

(Edited on November 25, 2009, 11:45 pm)

soulwithin465 @ Thursday, November 26th 2009, 12:40 AM

Then lets sing our hearts out together~!

Loving the expression btw!

(Edited on November 26, 2009, 10:09 am)

Kyuubi-Kitsune @ Friday, November 27th 2009, 12:18 PM

fffffffff this made me crack up so hard xD
I too am loving this expression!

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chainedfox @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 2:50 PM

the blue forest, a playground for werewolves, theives, vampires, goblins,giant asp, shadow creatures, and darkness

dosn't it look fun

(Edited on November 22, 2009, 3:55 pm)

Seidal @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 4:10 PM

I used to work in the forest last summer for plant surveys.

If I had to work here, I'd pee my pants. >_<
Good job on the dark and creepy yet beautiful factor.

Anne Dyari @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 6:02 PM

Nice, love the depth put into this, and the moon's lighting really gives it an almost misty, eerie effect. ^^ Very cool!

soulwithin465 @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 9:52 PM

wonderful atmospher you got going on here~

Mmm and yes, it sounds joyful!
;]

chainedfox @ Tuesday, November 24th 2009, 3:21 PM

thanx guys, i was trying to make it kinda eerie yet beuatifull, i have been trying to make myself work harder at drawing backgrounds

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Seidal @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 4:28 AM

I figured trying out would be a good way to improve since many of the critiques here are so helpful.

WIP - might take a while (Papers!)

(Edited on November 22, 2009, 3:37 pm)

Anne Dyari @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 6:05 PM

Can't wait to see this finished, good luck!

soulwithin465 @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 9:56 PM

Oh man, I'm excited to see this finished!
I love that your working so big too!

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Majestic Cardboard Box @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 9:22 PM

Trying out because... well i dunno

So tryout 1

(AKWARD BENDING LEG POWERS GO!!!!!)

(Edited on November 21, 2009, 9:24 pm)

Toasteh @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 11:42 PM

Uhh well I don't have a lot of time so I'll cover what I can, and leave the rest to someone else.

My biggest problem is that I can't really...tell if this is feral or anthro, so that makes it kind of hard to critique the anatomy...but I CAN tell you that those are some really big paws. The face is off too, but I can redline that in a minute. UM I'd say more, but if this /is/ anthro then I'll leave that for someone else to handle, as I'm more of a feral artist myself.
Well my next issue is the background. Please don't reply saying "I got lazy," that's a terrible excuse. There's a lot of inconsistency here. The style of shading used on the character clashes too much with the styles of shading used on the sky and sun.
Obviously, SOMEONE has to say that it's impossible to sit on a cloud, but I'd rather not...you know...WHATEVER
Now most people will tell you that it's best to change the color of your lineart, and in many cases, such as this one, it's true. HOWEVER, you can take this up a notch by sort of shading your lineart, catch my drift? As in, places where more of the light hits is lighter, etc....YOU KNOW??

Uhh that's it, I'll go ahead and get to the redline.

Edit: http://i50.tinypic.com/1zg96oz.png Apparently I do better with redlines lol
Well it's not perfect...but I hope it helps...
And let me know if my handwriting is too hard to read and I'll translate lol

(Edited on November 22, 2009, 12:00 am)

chainedfox @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 11:46 PM

i like your style and use of textures, you paid very nice attention to the color and the shading is very well done

the only crits i have are the antomy, the head dosn't seem to connect with the lower half of the body, the paws are to big and much to long for the rest of the body, and i will leave the rest of the crits to someone else

soulwithin465 @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 12:17 AM

Yeah come join us here >w<

Whoa and you have a pretty sweet shading style! I envy people who can do solids.

ANYWAYS

I really love the colors and various tones you used! They really accent the highlights and shadows. It?s also clear where your light source is coming from; however, I find some of the highlights to be a bit awkward. For example on the left paw in the front, the shading seems rather forced and unnatural. I think if you didn?t make the gradients following the same shape and form as each tone then it would blend a bit better; and same with the right leg. But the shading on the rest of the body is lovely! I really enjoy the fur textures you used and the fact that you aren?t following the contour lines for shading but rather the form of the body and fur. I also enjoy the tones you used for the sky. They work well with separating the subject matter from the background but at the same time bled them both together to make one piece. I think the black outline around the sun and clouds is a bit too distinct but luckily it doesn?t take away too much from the image. The anatomy also seems fairly decent; however, some parts are rather stiff. I feel like the tail should have a more flowing feeling to it. It seems too straight to me. But overall this is a good tryout!

Well, good luck on your second! I?m really looking forward to seeing it >w<

Redline~> http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/soulwithin465/290copy.jpg

*note* I?m guessing this is a k-9 if not then sorry! But if it is then the paws should be smaller. Dogs tend to have smaller paws, its cats that have the bigger ones. Also since he (or she) is lying down the stomach shouldn?t arch in the manner that it does. Rather it should be resting on the cloud to give it a more natural look. Well, hope this all helps! Don?t rely too much on redlines though, actually photos and real life observation are the best ;]

Toasteh @ Sunday, November 22nd 2009, 1:34 PM

^this x1000

issi_007 @ Tuesday, November 24th 2009, 10:46 AM

idk if anyone has covered what I'm saying now, but anyhow...:

First of all, I'd like to say that I love the clean lineart! And the design and concept of this are extremely cool <333
As for the shading, you should be very careful with how you shade. I cannot find the lightsource when I forget about the sun and focus on how you shaded this.
Basically, everything beneath the canid should be shaded (draw a horizontal line just above the canid's paws. The area beneath the line should be for the most part shaded, with no highlights showing on it) because of the angle you put the sun in.

I'll do a redline of the shading, just wait a moment.

And while shading, notice the colour of the sun. That colour is the colour of the light that is emerging from it. The colours you used to shade the clouds reflect exactly that. However, you used completely different hues for shading the canid. On the canid, the colours seem almost flat and grey because you didn't use the sun's colour as a starting point.

EDIT: http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/issi007/redlinemajesticcardboardbox.png
Didn't concentrate much on the anatomy, but more on the shading. And I just used a very strong blue to simply show shading, not because that is the colour you would shade with.

REMEMBER: warm (as in colour) lightsources give warm hightlights and cold shadows. Cold lightsources give cold highlights and warm shadows. Whilst shading, you shade with the complimentary colour of the original colour. For example, if the lightsource gives off red light (bloodred light, not orange in any way), then you shade with green. But because the lightsource isn't very extreme, the green hue isn't so visible, and so the red and green blend together and create a brown-ish colour.
Bear this in mind, because this could easily lift your shading even more up, creating a more environmental and consistent feel.

I hope you'll make sense of what I said just now, and hope it helps c:

BUT ANYHOW
I love the concept of this, and I really love how you combined tones into this. Such a lovely effect~

Good luck c:

(Edited on November 24, 2009, 11:20 am)

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soulwithin465 @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 12:24 PM

When unsure of what to draw abnormally retarded looking Pikachus always do the trick~

So yeah finished make a ref sheet for my character Sheaku~!!!! I'm so happy even though I hate how it came out >w<
~> http://soulwithin465.deviantart.com/art/Sheaku-Ref-144303880

(Edited on November 21, 2009, 12:27 pm)

chainedfox @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 12:56 PM

lol,thats genius, the pick made me laugh, and my friend thought i was crazy until i showed her it

thats a very good ref page u made, the character is really cool,i might do fanwork of it when i get the chance and if i'm not to lazy
you shouldent hate how it came out, the character is creative

(Edited on November 21, 2009, 1:00 pm)

soulwithin465 @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 11:31 PM

Ahaha yeah I always laugh whenever I see funny looking Pikachus~

Ahh and thank youuu<333 Ah we should do a trade some time if you'd like! That would be fun >w<

chainedfox @ Saturday, November 21st 2009, 11:41 PM

yeah, i'm open for a trade anytime, just tell me when and what character

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